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Sneak Peak: Forgewatch Invitational Tournament
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Forgewatch.com is running a Standard Constructed Invitational Tournament this November. An official announcement (with more details) is coming next week, but I wanted to provide a sneak peak to let you know what to expect:

Who is Invited? This tournament is an invitation-only event. Everyone who achieves a Top 4 finish in a Forgewatch-sponsered Standard Constructed Event is guaranteed an invitation. Opportunities to earn an invitation are available every weekend, see this thread for the latest information on community tournaments. To fill out the tournament field, we will also be offering at-large invitations to individuals who have shown consistently strong performance in community constructed events.

When is the Event? Our plan is to split the tournament into 4 pools based on Time Zone and Schedule. Pool play is planned for the weekend of November 8-10. One pool will play Friday night, one will play Sunday and two will play on Saturday. The top 2 players in each pool will advance to the Final 8 to be held the weekend of November 16-17.[Exact times forthcoming]

What about Prizes? We are excited to provide a large pool of prizes to reward the best SolForge players in the world for their skill and dedication. We will have SolForge product for the Top 16 players, including player's choice of a Legendary card(*) for everyone in the Top 8 and a very special grand prize for the tournament champion. [Look for our announcement next week]

Is this a Spectator Event? Yes! We are working to make sure that the Final 8 for the SolForge invitational is the best streamed Spectator Event that SolForge has ever seen. You can expect expert commentary, special guests, and fun giveaways.

What about Un-Heroic? Our current plan is to have a separate limited-rarity invitational (LRI) tournament this coming December to showcase the talents of players who have distinguished themselves in our weekly UnHeroic tournaments.

How will Pool Play Work? We plan to run each pool as double-elimination event. This will produce a clear winner and 2nd place player (who will both advance to the Top 8), as well as clear 3rd and 4th place players (who will receive prizes, to be announced). 

What About Players who Get Multiple Top 4 Finishes? We will be seeding pool play based on performance in standard events. Players with the highest seeds (i.e., the best overall performance in standard events) will get first round games against players with at-large invites, and an easier path to the Top 8. Additionally, we will do our best to ensure that top seeded players are granted their first choice of pool. (I.e., we expect not everyone will be able to play in the pool that is most convenient for them, we will give preferential treatment to the top seeds.)

How Many Players will be Invited? Our plan is to have 64 players in the tournament. We will continue issuing at-large invitations until we get a field of 64.

What About Non-Forgewatch Tournaments? Our goal is to invite the most distinguished players in SolForge standard constructed play. If you are organizing a tournament with more than 64 players, please contact me to discuss whether Forgewatch is able to provide guaranteed invitations to the top players in your event. Additionally, we are happy to include performance in non-Forgewatch sponsored standard constructed events when making decisions on seeding and at-large invitations.

How will At-Large Invitations be Determined?  We have not yet finalized our criteria for at-large bids. However, the following are among the criteria that we are likely to take into account:

  • How many Top 8 or Top 16 bids finishes did the player get in standard constructed tournaments?
  • What was the player's highest finish in a standard constructed tournament?
  • How many standard constructed tournaments did the player enter?
  • Has the player been a positive (and non-disruptive) member of the community?

(*) For technical reasons, individual Legendary cards will not be delivered immediately after the event. However, these cards will be delivered promptly once a future update makes possible the transfer of individual cards.

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The following players have already guaranteed themselves invitations to this exciting event. 
Note: This list is in arbitrary order. Seeding will be determined at a future time.

1) Zrandles
2) Tristan
3) Lpwalker
4) Mark
5) Raidrinn
6) Rootbreaker
7) Trumpets
8) Decurion
9) Hope
10) JManTheThief
11) PTKtempo
12) HolyLlama
13) Paragon
14) Mattf
15) Darnaudov
16) Ximane
17) MingistheKing
18) BannedTim
19) Criostasi
20) Whytefyre [**]
21) Axel [**]

[**] Guaranteed Invitation based on Top 2 performance in the Reddit constructed event on Sept 10. If you are hosting a large constructed event, please contact me about the possibility of providing guaranteed invites for the top players in your event.

The Forge Watch Invitational Top 16 is Sept. 27th at 9:00am Pacific Daylight Time.
Here is the latest FAQ with information on the Invitational.


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why im not on the list ? i did top 4 in the unheroic tournament.

 

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VittorVinicius said
why im not on the list ? i did top 4 in the unheroic tournament.

I apologize for the confusion.

The November event being advertised in this post is a Standard Constructed Tournament. As stated in the original post, our current plan is to have a separate Invitational Tournament in December for players (including yourself) who have performed exceptionally well in UnHeroic tournaments.

The Forge Watch Invitational Top 16 is Sept. 27th at 9:00am Pacific Daylight Time.
Here is the latest FAQ with information on the Invitational.


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Super excited to see you guys doing this! Even if I cant seem to make a top four by then ill definetaly be tuning in to watch the commentary!

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Sweet, I have 2 months to get cards :D .

Hopefully at least 2 weeks of which will involve infinite drafting.

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Bummer that the finals are during the Fantasy Flight Games world championship weekend, but I'm definitely excited to get in on the next run of these! Good work as always, Forgewatch.

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Cool stuff :) I'm looking forward to it! 

I did notice my name is typo'd in the player list though ~ It's Decurion, not Decurian :p

Alloyin ftw.
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Decurion said
Cool stuff :) I'm looking forward to it! 

I did notice my name is typo'd in the player list though ~ It's Decurion, not Decurian :p

Fixed! Sorry about that :->

The Forge Watch Invitational Top 16 is Sept. 27th at 9:00am Pacific Daylight Time.
Here is the latest FAQ with information on the Invitational.


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Very nice. I'm super excited for this

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First SolForge pro tour.

 

Can't wait!

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So Awesome! Thanks, Forgewatch :D  

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The original post has been edited to provide answers to additional questions. 

Ultimately, your best way to earn an invite is to enter into as many constructed events as you can, and once entered to try your best (whether you make a Top 4 or not), to follow the rules of the tournament, and to be helpful to the TOs and to your fellow players.

The Forge Watch Invitational Top 16 is Sept. 27th at 9:00am Pacific Daylight Time.
Here is the latest FAQ with information on the Invitational.


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My name is also typoed :(

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Fixed.  Sorry about that!


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Most of the constructed tournaments are heavily favouring American times, giving american players a larger chance of getting into invitationals.

How will this be handled (seeing as you want the worlds best)

Second i would like to ask wether you look at the decks used by people to position high with as well?

I feel that i got the cards to copy a high ranking player and that i have the knowledge/skill to reach the same heights.

However, to me it feels like cheesing to copy a deck list. In order to get into this tournament :)

(copying a deck does not feel like proving to be a good players to me)

For the rest, guess il have to do my best to get to the invitationals and i might have to cheese my way in ;)

 

Edit, pretty cool your doing this btw!

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Stautmeister said
Most of the constructed tournaments are heavily favouring American times, giving american players a larger chance of getting into invitationals.

How will this be handled (seeing as you want the worlds best)

Second i would like to ask wether you look at the decks used by people to position high with as well?

I feel that i got the cards to copy a high ranking player and that i have the knowledge/skill to reach the same heights.

However, to me it feels like cheesing to copy a deck list. In order to get into this tournament :)

(copying a deck does not feel like proving to be a good players to me)

For the rest, guess il have to do my best to get to the invitationals and i might have to cheese my way in ;)

 

Edit, pretty cool your doing this btw!

I want to note that the following is my personal opinion, and while the words are strong (and possibly harsh?) they are what I believe to be the truth of the matter:

Half of the tournaments are set for early afternoon times, which is when most Americans are at work, and Europeans are getting out of work. Unfortunately this is a time we've been lead to believe works best with Europeans, and as most of the Forgewatch team is located in the US, it is hard to cater to individual time slots – We try a variety of times, about half of which are not convenient American times. We are more than happy to continue with our current method of changing our time slots every week for tournaments, as well as to train (or sponsor) Europeans who would like to host what they believe are more acceptable times.

 

Secondly, I have to (strongly) disagree with the sentiment that decklists should have any basis on earning an invite. There has yet to be a single list in the top four of a tournament that was within 3 cards of a tournament from a different week. There are a limited number of archetypes with only one set available – so variety narrows quickly. We rank players based on the criteria listed in the original post, with a high interest in those that demonstrate a high ability to win in a competitive venue. There are minimal ways to show this outside of a tournament setting, and those minimal ways are not yet available to SolForge.

 

Lastly, there is a clear perception difference, in both saying you cant win without copying a decklist, and also saying that it would be cheesing to play a tier one archetype. This is based on a perception that is not not rooted in competitive play, but rather by personal choice, and feeling – unfortunately unique decks that don't finish well are not demonstrative of the skill it takes to pilot a single deck to a top8 finish. The short version is: the player who has piloted a deck to the semi finals of a tournament has demonstrated an ability to win – while the player who piloted a unique decklist to a non-winning record has not demonstrated such. While innovative deck building is a skillset that is very highly valued – it is not the basis for entry to a tournament.

 

Again, I want to echo that this is my personal opinion – but it is one i feel is important in light of what was said.

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As for the Time-Zone issue;

There is some truth that all tournaments we run are friendly to Americans, whereas only some are friendly to Europeans or Australians.  This is simply because the five people that Forgewatch has currently running tournaments all live in the United States (and frankly, are all too old to be pulling all-nighters to run a tournament).

We are actively recruiting others who might be interested in running tournaments at other times.  If you are interested in joining the team, please contact Noetherian or Racecar0.

Furthermore, we've repeatedly expressed an interest in helping others to run tournaments (for instance, when Justice and Snook ran the last Reddit tournament, they had help from three Forgewatch people).  And as the initial post indicates, we want the best people in this invitational, which means that there is a very good chance that the top people from all major tournaments (whether hosted by Forgewatch or not) will receive an invite.

As for the decklist copying issue:

Success in SolForge does not come from copying a deck list.  The same set of 30 cards can be played in many different ways, depending on which cards are given leveling priority (which in turn will depend on the deck composition, the opponent's deck composition, and the nature of the draws in any given game).  Piloting any deck to a tournament victory is an impressive achievement--whether you copied a deck list or not.

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@ Kit

Thanks for the reply! it does clear up some stuff for me. Especially the timing i can understand. It just feels that 2 am european time vs 10 am american is biased towards americans. But like you said. Its difficult to host a tourney in a different timezone all togheter!

And i dont know why you think those were harsh words! Youve seen me stream, im a force of positive attitude (xcept when it comes to savants) ;)

Seeing as i have no former experience in competetive card games i am currently comparing it to games like SC2

Where you can copy a cheesy build directly but next to the theoretical knowledge it also takes mechanical skill to master it.

Card games are inherently pure theory since there is no mechanical skill required.

(for example raidrins card draw spelldeck was definatly awesome, but is has sprung a lot of people building the same archtype)

I personally feel that someone that builds a revolutionairy deck and gets into top 16 shows more skill in solforge overal (deckbuilding and playing) Then someone that reaches top 8 with a tournament winning deck with 3 – 6 different cards (only 2 playsets)

Its just that i see a certain type of deck pop up at the top of the tournaments (savant/removal) and i feel that following such a meta (archtype? dont know what its called in cardgames :) )

But i can see how copying a tournament winning deck will get you into the invitationals easier then building something from scratch.

And while winning is important i think viewers want to see fresh strategies as well as flameshaper master of elements combinations.

That being said, i want to know when the next tournament is, i will defintly try to join it and see if i got what it takes! (i have ocasionally beaten a few names on that list ;) )

@ MM Success in SolForge does not come from copying a deck list.  The same set of 30 cards can be played in many different ways, depending on which cards are given leveling priority (which in turn will depend on the deck composition, the opponent's deck composition, and the nature of the draws in any given game).  Piloting any deck to a tournament victory is an impressive achievement--whether you copied a deck list or not.

Believe me when i say that in no way i am reducing the value of the high placed people in the tournaments. I respect their achievements and i am a tad bit jealous. I also agree that skill (the factors that you summed) Are indeed very important.

I am however also saying that i respect the skilled innovators more then i do the skilled copy cats :)

 

Then again, i have this drive to be original and come up with new stuff rather then taking someone elses idea which is why i feel im always 1 step behind :)

 

For those interested, the above poster discusses the "meta" in the following article

http://www.forgewatch.com/brac…..-metagame/

Its currently SolShaper, rather than forge ;)

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Also id like to say that Scream112 from metagaming tv and i are looking into creating a european time tournament i will definatly contact you guys about that in the near future :)

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Stautmeister said
Also id like to say that Scream112 from metagaming tv and i are looking into creating a european time tournament i will definatly contact you guys about that in the near future :)

As MnMike2002 said, Forgewatch attempts to host tournaments are a variety of times, but we are limited based on our TOs. We are happy to consult with anyone who wants to run a tournament that favors a different time zone, we even have a detailed guide with suggestions on how to efficiently run a SolForge tournament (which we will be publishing shortly, just needs a few more edits). 

Also, in your opinion, when is the best time to run a tournament to ensure maximum participation from European players. Indeed, we are just now finalizing the times for next weekend's (Sept. 21/21) SolForge tournament and I would happy to receive your input. (Although keep in mind that we also periodically like to run events that somewhat convenient for people in Australia or East Asia.) 

With regards to the actual invitational event, we have gone out of our way to structure the tournament in a way that is friendly to players in a variety of timezones. We are running four pools as the first phase of the event and we are staggering the times of these pools to accommodate players from a variety of timezones. However, the sad fact is that we aren't going to be able to schedule the Final 8 at a time that works for everyone. We will get input from a variety of people before picking a time for the Final 8, but we recognize that it is impossible to make everyone happy.

Furthermore, if you do decide to run a large constructed tournament, please contact me (gmail is: the.noetherian) about the possibility of providing guaranteed invitations to the top players in your event.

Finally, for this event, we have decided that we will not be taking into account deck design or innovation when selecting players to invite. If Forgewatch were to host another invitational in the future (which is possible, but not guaranteed) we could revisit the issue of whether to take deck selection into account. For this event, however, we are basing our selection on tournament performance.

The Forge Watch Invitational Top 16 is Sept. 27th at 9:00am Pacific Daylight Time.
Here is the latest FAQ with information on the Invitational.


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